They just need a little help re: sanding. Help. I'm in the middle of my project right now having already done 2 full rounds (a round being WS EasyPrime plus 3 topcoats of 2K Supra AT with 2 layers of 180 grit sanding between top coats) on different pieces of cabinetry. Beautiful finish btw. I am from the Kansas City area and wish you were too! Thanks! In continuing to discuss the "quirky" things that come up on jobs that no one seems to talk about but almost every job has to deal with, this homeowner decided to exchange the railing between the kitchen and split level family room with cabinets (yay storage!). I just found your blog and it has been such a tremendous help! Being you didn't mention "how" the finishes will be applied, If you're looking for a 2K WB finish that can be sprayed, there are a number . retains the natural look and feel of Loba GmbH & Co. KG| Leonberger Str. I have approx. I wish you wanted to take a road trip to SC because I would hire you in instant. If he omitted the hardener, he would have had a massively longer working time and could have easily worked alone. The Bona Traffic HD is the non-yellowing option. The current floor sheen is semi gloss. Thanks in advance! 1 S. 1 a DSGVO, 25 Abs. ), 9. 1000 sf. She selected rift and quarter sawn white oak with a water-based sealer to keep the space bright without competing with the other wood tones. It is so comforting to get a response from someone who knows what they are talking about. Just as important as your intercoat abrasion grit level (which should be 180 or similar) is your re-coat window. We need to go with waterborne for two reasons, allergies and time. If you just apply a clear water base finish to Red Oak it can look dull, flat and lifeless. We're very happy with the look and work done. That bag doesn't even look like the real 2K Invisible Protect product which comes in a plastic jug with a strainer pour spout and a separate small metal can of hardener to be mixed together with the base. Ive been on a bit of a break. What color stain would you put on your floors to eliminate these colors? Things that would have left visible marks on our old poly floors, this stuff laughs at, OR because it's so matte, you just can't see it unless you are at the right angle (like when we had some fridge repairs done and our stupid fridge left some tracks when it was rolled out). I guarantee you will feel MUCH BETTER with the slightly higher gloss of Satin (not much glossier but it helps). Also my back door has a covered deck that i figured i could open the door with. Or if you want a good GLOW on your floors then move to semi-gloss. NYC wood flooring nyMasterpiece company did an amazing job installing it a year ago, but of course they want to charge to fix it. So, just be careful with that kind of thing. 100 sqm oak were renovated with 2K InvisibeProtect A.T.. . Retains the natural appearance and feel of untreated wood. Loba's "AT" family of products is about as good as it gets for a durable flooring coating. This causes a white blemish which is UNMOVEABLE.because it is BELOW the layer of finish (sandwiched between the two actually). Have you ever done 2 coats of Invisible Protect AT with a top coat of Supra Satin AT on top for some sheen? The only one I have found so far is Stonewood products they use the Rubio Monocoat. It's more of a challenge in actual rooms. When homeowners buy an older house, oftentimes they do so because they like the "charm". For my projects, opening windows for fresh air while working was mandatory even with an N95 mask. Perhaps the local hardwood floor contractors arent as familiar with the higher end water-based polys? -JP. (She mentioned how she had her contractor buy 25 little quarts of the older high voc Fabulon oil poly, since it was illegal to buy it in gallons in NYC, to redo her floor!). First time users will always have trouble with any of these products. Are you kidding?? Please clarify which Loba finish was contracted for use. Loba-Wakol. I would stay with the 3 coats. Natural texture and feel are similar to untreated wooden floors. ), but I have to say that this is one of my favorite kitchen transformations! Finfers are crossed! I am so lost when picking out a floor sealer for our new common #2 red oak wide plank floor. @HU-231824251 Do you know exactly which finish was contracted for use on your flooring? Even beyond the technical explanation, in practice the fumes smell too strong for me to tolerate without fresh air flowing through, even while masked with an N95. Thinking of Staining Your Hardwood Floors a Dark Color? Here are the application instructions (go to the download link): http://www.loba.de/us/products/waterborne-finishes/2-component-waterborne-finishes/product/2k-supra-at.html. and the house has been rented. You definitely do not want any water on your floor from the rain before, during, or immediately after coating, and ideally, you should have already prepared your floor by having windows closed and any central heat or air on for a week or two to equalize the moisture content of the wood to what it will be when the floor is coated and in regular use. Worried that another coat will mess up a nice job. Im sure the quality floor guys in your area will know what works the best in your environment. But most people that choose hardwax oils love them for their hand-rubbed matte, natural wood look. If you use NordicSeal you WILL SEE pinkand lots of it. 2 TTDSG Speicherdauer des Cookies: Das Session-Cookie wird gelscht, wenn Sie den Browser schlieen. A black rubbered shoe leaves black rubber marks on a basketball court (hence the reason why treads should be white or flesh toned). Loba Invisible Protect on red oak. Can you shake the jug and still hear fluid sloshing? We use their stains almost every day. White oak reacts more then red oak, but I dont know about black oak unfortunately. It was done over time: the earliest was installed in 2002, then about 2006 and then 2010. Oil or WS Easy? Better to save it for a few years and then get a maintenance coat done if need be. The 'Bona' Directions are for a VERY different Bona product line. Unfortunately we trusted that he knew what he was doing & was experienced with the product he was using. I ended up getting a Bissell Spinwave mop that I run every other weekend between the weeks when my housekeeper comes. I have 5,000 square feet of new unfinished walnut flooring (wide plank character grade with some small knots). That means it is very very very possible water hit the floor BEFORE the 5 - 7 day CURE occurred. @Aglitter I have red oak and i did also buy 2 coats worth of the whitner. The downsides if you love super glossy finishes then hardwax oils wont make the cut. 3. I have a question about using the newer, water-based finishes when you are trying to match the appearance of an older oil-based poly. It is a low gloss satin which is MUCH easier to work with/live with. The problems you are having are precisely what one would expect if the hardener had not been used. It has to have "AT" for Advanced Technology after the name to be the ceramic-infused, newer, most durable one). We have 94 sq mtrs of these floors, its a large space & really hard to manage 3 little kids & trying to stop any more marks appearing. Commercial/restaurant flooring were looking to install oak or pine floors (cost dependent) in our restaurant at the beach, so high humidity, sand and the building is over a crawl space and were thinking oil or hardwax oil. Thanks so much, Carol. Your work condition will have a factor, also. We will be getting a new puppy in the spring most likely a lab, so a floor that can hold up to pets is needed. Jun 17, 2018 - I don't know why I'm writing another post about my floors. The previous Houzz poster who had a failed application was a professional floor refinisher himself but had no helper and was, as I recall, applying Invisible Protect to white oak, the worst wood for tannin pull. The wood was singing when others only hum. Thank you! There will be one final coat applied after some final touches are made with transition pieces in certain areas. We were not given any information about the product or any after service care. Thank you for your site! The hardwoods are on a the first floor which is high traffic so sounds like it will in fact, be the most durabledo you agree? Is this a good choice? I want worn-looking floors, in fact I dont want them to look new at all! 6 Abs. Your hardwood has darkened in the sunlit areas and remained pale under the rug. Thanks, Cheryl. The first night we slept on the floors our dog got sick and my daughter didnt notice the mess until noon the next day. The 'AT' is the 'Advanced Technology' written to the very right hand side of the title. The white dot is suspicious. Your Loba Australia Rep. might not be as up to date as the US side of things. Getting ready to do my red oak flooring with the Loba invisible and it says no primer needed. A little bit of a pain to deal with, but overall no problem - Jose just had to go back and create a finished/returned end on the nosing. As you can see, there is a huge variety of colors and shades and mixes available with hardwax oils. They can be tricky to apply and you need to have a lot of speed as they are fast drying. The highest one is 50g/liter compared to oil based finishes that are around 500g/liter and Glitsa that has 725g/liter. Well, this has caused the dreaded WLS throughout the house and in some areas the WLS has turned to peeling. This is what I would look into first. For normally and particularly heavily trafficked floors. If, you have ever rolled Nordicseal, Natiuralseal, and poly shade successfully. This is the BIGGEST complaint from people who have used the Invisible AT. But that still leaves the field pretty wide open as there are many different brands and products among those three groups. I hope that's helpful to you in your decision process. I didn't really notice it when we all worked at an office and the dogs were at daycare most days, but now that all 5 of us are here 24/7/365, the grime layer is noticeable after a week. I am peeling up some 1950 linoleum to expose and refinish Doug Fir for my kitchen renovation. Part of me wishes I had experimented with some stain options to make it the color a little richer, but I liked the idea of the wood being it's authentic self. Chip M. BTW I found your Blog very helpful! That water can seep past the FIRST layer of finish but STOP at the second layer (before hitting the floor). The lighting in daylight as compared to nighttime makes a larger difference in the color of the wood than does the coating itself, as shown: Help please!!! I am a one man band and have always applied Invisible without a primer. Your stairs may be a different grading of wood, and if so they will look a little different anyways. @HU-231824251 I wish you could be here to see the utterly confused look on my face. It's entirely up to you. Factor in the time it takes you to complete a coating and your drying time. Figure out where the half way point is for bottle change. Not sure if thats the one youre looking at or the cheaper single component option. Below are a few of the custom colors we have done with hardwax oils over the years. If you are going to use stain then my recommendation for a hardwax oil would be Pallmann Magic Oil. 2 Nr. Hi Tadas, Thanks for the great info. Because you have chosen to use Loba's waterborne Invisible (which is a good choice to avoid the ambering you would get from an oil-based product but not as good as oil when it comes to tannin pull), the risk is there with that waterborne coating of creating stains on the flooring. I *believe the EasyPrime allows two coats (don't quote me on thatplease make sure your pro knows if 1 or 2 coats is allowed). Even then I would be worried about it being objective for numerous reasons. They should be able to match the sheen for you too. Almost everyone is in COVID lock down of some sort. It will come down to what finish you want, the VOC level youre comfortable with and the big one your budget. You will need a new applicator for each 2K coat because the 2K is impossible to fully remove from the rollers and brushes even with rigorous cleaning. Difficult for a professional to do well? Do NOT move into the house until the 5 day mark (after the final coat has been added). It did not increase the shine but enhanced the color and graining in a way hard wax or conventional finishes dont. You can be assured their 2 component finish is good. Here's how the time line SHOULD have gone: 1. But after reading on your sites of fire hazard with these product makes me really concerned. As far as sealing and using a hardwax oil on the sample floor you saw do you know what the product was? There are precautions you can take if using these products and you will need to decide with him if the risks are acceptable for the both of you. i do have a person doing the edging and sounds like if i lay it on thick enough, we should be ok. 1 S. 1 a DSGVO) Speicherdauer Daten werden gelscht, sobald sie fr die Verarbeitungszwecke nicht mehr bentigt werden. If so, it was never catalyzed. If you want it LIGHTER then you will need to bleach the floor (Brazilian Cherry has the same tones and the same photosensitivity as your wood = bleached twice works well). You have a BUFF mark. Our wholesale price for a gallon of high-end finish is in the triple digitscompared to say maybe $30.00 for cheap handyman finish. 5. 4. Either way (photosensitivity vs. bleached) it is ALWAYS 'Best Practice' to leave area rugs off the floor for 6 months (whenever possible). The super low gloss finishes are HARD to live with. For particularly highly trafficked floors. Any wet/damp cleaning done during that time would have also been an issue. Finish system for cement-based levelling compounds | Factory Line, At the Paul Smith Store in Mayfair, London approx. THIS IS THE PRODUCT you want to look at. Your floors are doing OK. A fix can be as easy as a new coat of SATINand remove the rugs until Hallowe'en/Fall Equinox. Our entire floors are marked & damaged. I've heard of other issues with Loba Invisible. You should be able to match the sheens pretty closely though so that wont be a concern. Outstanding chemical and wear resistance. Of course the floors would have looked perfect before any traffic was put on them, hardener or no hardener. Day 7 after the final coat - 99% cure has been achieved and full life can be lived. 1 S. 1 a DSGVO, 25 Abs. The single component finish we use and recommend to our clients is called Pallmann Pall-X Power. For 2K, they will need to lay down the finish within highly specific parameters in order to get a smooth, durable surface since 2K begins to flash dry extremely quickly. Right. (the maple is in our enclosed entryway) (we are thinking of a mix of chocolate and mahagony) 3)Is it absolutely necessary to use Rubios raw wood cleaner (one of their brochures say for exotic woods)? Using a heavy first coat and always keeping a wet edge will help prevent tannin pull but may not in all circumstances eliminate it. Its very different to Magic Oil though so make sure you read up on the differences between them to see what would be the best for your family. Its very durable and doesnt show scratches easily because of the very low sheen. Yes Provincial is a nice color and will make your floors stand out against all of that Golden Oak. My loss! We thought the finish was going to be Loba Supra 2K Satin, but what was applied was 1) Loba Easy Prime, 2) Loba Easy Finish Semi Gloss, 3) Loba Supra 2K Semi Gloss. This means if your finisher isnt an expert at applying them and he messes a coat up, the entire floor will have to be re-sanded (meaning more flooring removed) and the finish reapplied from scratch. How much do you LOVE the look (yesyou must LOVE the 'no shine' look you have)? If different, what sealing product will go with above. Working within a budget is reality for most of us when remodeling our homes. Just to confirmif we use Bona Natural or Bona Nordic, do we NEED at Finisher? Please help me clarify a few things: 1. It can be an issue with water based finishes though like you were told. In erster Linie handelt es sich dabei um Cookies, die fr den Betrieb der Seite notwendig sind. For background, I have unfinished glued-on engineered wood with 4mm wear layer, thats finished in-place natural. What type of cleaner are you using when you damp clean the floors? This is the first stage of applying Rubio Monocoat. It takes 5 minutes to coat and area like that. These reports can be enough to shake a GC out of their 'nope; don't wanna' attitude. They come with the option of multiple sheen levels. Please use an alternative browser or update the existing software. I wanted a rustic, beige toned color with gray undertones. I would not recommend this with a red floor like yours. This past week I put down three coats of Optifinis Satin, but there's a clear demarcation between what was finished before and now. We didnt get this brochure until a week later after we noticed marks. what do you think? The 'AT' lines are VERY sticky. Do you find yourself LOVING the look of a freshly cleaned floor because it looks shiny? If they like it they want me to do same on original floor on rest of home which is 45 year old white oak with gaps here and there. When these homeowners remodeled their home 10 years ago, we replaced the wood floors on the main level of the home since the original wood floors were too thin to refinish. Please think hard about whether or not you saw the metal tin at the house during the refinish. @SJ McCarthy If the finish currently on the floor is a 2K product, wouldn't a coat of Loba's WS 2K Contact in addition to sanding be required to bridge between the previous layer and a new one? Bona waterborne wood floor sealers offer excellent . One of the commenters above mentioned that he had that very problem with a Bona water-based poly on his floors. That one I know for sure! I cannot shake my curiosity wondering if that label may have come from a fake knock-off. Such great detail and info. 13.a. Its about 35 2 x 2 tables. Where we went wrong is using the highly recommended Bona Traffic HD as our finish coat poly. 7. By continuing to browse the site you are agreeing to our use of cookies. 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