The following model (rebranded as Carribean) of my boat came out with 300 6bta, then 315 6bta, then 330 6bta and now they come out of the factory with 355 QSB 6.7 and 5050A boxes. Bait Wells I doubt the PO ever even knew it happened! The wraparound walk-thru windshield protects you from the elements, and a 47-gallon fuel tank lets you make long runs to your favorite fishing spots. The remote is a Lewmar device. Yard is saying do not have to change shaft or stuts and they have done several 31's already, Cummin would require the larger shafts and Struts, plus increased air flow, Any comments would be great and am sure will be needing more advice as we move forward, Soory guys the cummins are the 330 recons and the yanmar are the 315 6 lpy I think. 36 Uniflite Just an idea to think about. Not any real damage. Since before Cummins Engine Company marinized their 6B 5.9 engine in the 1970s Mako Marina was a Cummins distributor and installing Cummins Engines. I read in the posts here about a windlass ?? An important and exciting part of what we do is evaluate your current engines and vessel performance to provide you with conservative future vessel speed and fuel savings. Admittedly, the owner of the 35-foot Bertram Moppie Fiddler says it took him a beat to get used to his boat's new power package and controls after repowering the 1970 build using Volvo Penta IPS600 with D6 435 diesels. Company Everything said on this post is true, all valid points. FAQ; Home. Hinges Skip to content. Something else to think about, In order to reach the 3100+ RPM recommended for the 370, you will almost certainly have to have about one inch less pitch than you would use with the 330s. Copyright 2023 Yachting. The $$ adder was minimum IMO in comparison to the overall benefits.. next time around Ill bolt a QSB 380 into the 25 TJ !! Plastic Rub Rails by bob lico Dec 30th, '15, 22:42, Post My parameters for evaluating a refit lie at the intersection of three pieces of the puzzle: 1) Vision and good taste. They're mostly heavy (for their output), dirty, loud, slow, and in need of TLC. And this free fall system seems to fail a lot. My reason for preferring the 330 HP motor is you simply dont need the added HP provided by the 370 (20 HP per side), and I assume you will be paying more for it. Thanks for the comment on the 330B as that describes what type of engine I am looking for. Finest 31 renovation around? At 2200 rpms and 22 knts, the motors are loafing. 3) Funds (more than a little). I use Blackstone Labs frequently and always have kits on hand, so will have both engines reviewed in short order if they have not been done lately. Most of us have an opinion (usually a very strong one) about this iconic boat. When I put my hand on the joystick, it took a minutebut I got it. I did not need to change shafts. We made 41-42K in some nice weather, but realistically, shes only a solid 30K cruiser when you can hold on. but now have lowered my speed because of the price of fuel as many others have done. And the stainless. by Yannis May 17th, '16, 10:53, Post What a great project and choice of engines ! Any comments on one versus the other. Selecting Right Bottom Paint for Your Boat. can you have photos of the interior? I've got 300hp 6BTA's in my 33 Bert. I had a Volvo in my last boat ( maintanice nightmare) and a gas marine power in my boat before that. Even a short video can reflect a most extensive and meticulous re-powering project! Boxes Here's a real-world example of successful repowering, using a boat that most of us lust after: The Bertram 31 of the 1960s and '70s is on almost every list of Best Boats Ever, so there's a lot of information available on performance when new. Repower and head to the Bahamas. This allows us to develop a working relationship that doesnt end after the repower, we expect more questions and feedback and guarantee to continue our high level of customer support. According to Soundings, aficionados refer to it as "Bertram Art." Not as quick as my 20-year-old, who picked it up in a second, but I picked it up pretty quick.. 37 Bertram September 21, 2016 Sealink Marine are finalising this Bertram 25 repower! I have a friend with similar vintage Bertram 31 Express that is used 100% for offshore fishing and he loves it. Adds a tremendous amount of strength, adds more useable fuel in the same amount of space, and when plumbed right, 99% of the your fuel you carry is useable. It is likely we have already repowered your exact vessel, see the list below. She boasts full electronic instrumentation at helm and on tower. I have an open mind to new ideas, my primary criteria when considering each issue of this project is function and durability. I'm running ZF220a 1.5:1's with 21X22 Mich Nibral DJX (#5 cup) on inch and 3/8's shafts. Here's my 2 cents, and yeah, its a little contradictory at the end. With regards to the 3.0's being underpowered, the boat came from bertram with 120 hp mercruisers and it appears they preformed quite well. The trick is in the rebuild. by scot May 17th, '16, 22:05, Post Full-service Marina with Certified Volvo & Cummins Marine Technicians 516-378-7331, Mako Marina Freeport New York 516-378-7331. And the option of standard and opposite rotation versions means theres no need to install a new transmission for twin engine applications. Courtesy Volvo Penta. The seat backs flip both ways in order to watch forward or astern. Thanks Rob While I originally planned to be hands-on, I realized a couple of things as we got closer to the project, #1 besides raw labor this is not in my skill set to properly rebuild and re-power my boat in a timely manner, #2 My current work schedule would not permit adequate time to make progress and would drag out the total time required to complete. We chose the 370s versus the 330s for the extra high cruise rpms. 35 Bertram Thornburg: Sigourney. Decision was made to totally gut the area due to a lot more rot than first pass review. Both will need roughly a 20" diameter wheel. A month or two after I bought my boat I was going to buy new props(1.6k) for spares from H+H propellor, the guy told me I should upgrade to 1.5 shafts at 4.5k cost. Ralph *** ***. After its restoration it has real weight with half-filled deposit of 7.5 tones. 2021-22 Sportfish Build Report: Merritts Boat and Engine A First Look at the New Hulls from Bertram Yachts, From Lightning Strike to New Boat: The Story of the Artemis. Swim Platforms You have 454's and it's time to re-power: what option do you choose? Works really nice.. 2003 480CE Cooling Air Bleed/ Fuel Leak/Voltage Droop, StarCraft tachometer Error message Check engine battery, Reply To: remote oil filter and pressure relation, Reply To: StarCraft tachometer Error message Check engine battery, Marine Age the REAL age of a Marine Diesel Engine, Propellers Move Boats, Engines Just Turn Them, Everything you Need to Know About Marine Exhaust Systems, Continuous Duty A Different Perspective, This topic has 51 replies, 8 voices, and was last updated. Think about it and talk to Tony. Now its a picnic boat on steroids, he says. by bob lico Jun 14th, '16, 12:33, Post I have trolled the various websites detailing project boats and have seen several that caught my eye and with Tonys input started to put together a project list to start the discussion on final project scope. My goal is to have this boat fishing before I retire and done in a manner that with proper care and maintenance (learning this from this site), I will have a great, reliable fishing platform for 20+ years. . Below that they are about the same. by moguls2go Jun 13th, '16, 19:15, Post My current B31--Crows Nest--has 8.2 Detroit Diesels. After its restoration it has real weight with half-filled deposit of 7.5 tones. Quick links. Hi all, I'm tossing the idea around of repowering my 1970 31 Bertram Bahia Mar. See how Kim Audas has repowered his with a single, MerCruiser 350HP inboard. 42 Bruno Show More. by fonsim May 17th, '16, 14:01, Post There are plenty of old diesel engines in service today. These sterndrives are fitted with new Mercruiser Alpha 4 aluminium 4 blade propellers. These seemed to be more prevalent on west coast based Bertrams vs. east coast based Bertrams where many of them dont have bow railings at all. Great project! Seaboard Marine delivers Guaranteed Better Than Factory Performance, Parts, Design, and Engineering for Cummins and other Marine Diesel applications. At 2200 rpms she burns about 26 gallons per hour, and holding almost 500 gallons of fuel, has a range of around 450 miles. Looking forward to your thoughts and advice as we progress. The GOOD windlass is the best windlass Ive ever used on a boat. And many, probably most, have been modified, repowered, and renovated. 25 Buddy Davis. Blackened the surface of a small section of the glass. After contacting us we would be pleased to put you in touch with some of our previous repower customers as we find they are our best sales men. 30 Lobster Boat My intention would be to use RTO's with gears and would either be Cummin B 250hp (or more) OR Yanmar 6LPA 315's. (unless I got my hands on a pair of yanmar 240's). by Charlie J Dec 31st, '15, 11:21, Post Three years ago I rebuilt/repowered a 25 ft Terry Jason (Calvin Beal design) lobster boat. by ranjr13 Dec 28th, '15, 11:34, Post Hazleton: Independence. Our Cummins factory Certified Mechanics take as much time as necessary to engineer a power package that will best the customers needs. I have an opportunity to get a project 25' Bertram that needs stringers and transom work I was thinking of putting twin ford 302's bumped to 250 hp and put in alpha gen 1 outdrives. I use controls on the bridge and a remote when I want to operate from the bow. 28 Baha The packages include the helm station , controls , engine , transom shield , drive and the props are 1900 per pair. by ed c. Sep 27th, '08, 21:53, Post MOBY DICK is a leisure boat Bertram 31 fly, made in 1962 and acquired in 2013 to be restored. A few questions: Another benefit of the 370 over the 330 would be that the 370 would turn a lesser pitched prop which would allow a slightly less idle speed that could be beneficial motoring in and around the docks. I raise and lower the anchor from the bridge. Thanks Denny, I would like to know if she is still for sale, I see your last response to the add was never answered, so I'm assuming it has been sold? 44 Trawler But a 32K cruise was easy, but always weather dependent. I cruise at 2400rpms (23-24 knots) and top out at 2900rpms (29-30 knots). Speeds are on the slower side but fuel consumption is great. Often times several power options are examined prior to beginning the job. Correct me if I'm wrong,definitely interested. Covers They are making excellent progress and have really cleaned up the under deck area and engine compartments. With the 31 Bertram, you also eliminate all that used greasy bilge under the tank that is always a mess to deal with. I truly do love them and they are easy to work on and parts are cheap. Water Faucets. Subscribe to InTheBite to get our latest issue - You don't want to miss it! What I meant by the comment of a west coast rail package is I have noticed the railing on several different Bertrams and I preferred the higher railing that comes further back towards the cockpit. Good Luck. Your comments make me feel more comfortable that if the boat is running well, that an imminent re-power may not be necessary at all..thanks again. by Tony Meola Dec 28th, '15, 22:19, Post I would think the 330s would be a better choice, especially hear in SoCal. Started less than 1 minute ago This video shows a. For the time being our 454's are running and I plan to keep them that way. Why stainless steel support work for the hard top? Therefore, we are able to offer the widest selection of motors at the best prices around. Topics. The engine boxes are covered with blue/white striped cushions with four inches of heavy-duty foam, extra insulation added. First off, great site - newcomer to this forum, but not Bertrams. Im with you on the 370 choice. For all the nervous Nellies out there after 46 years of being around boats, traveling on them, living on them, working on them the over whelming majority of fires I came across were on diesel boats. 1973 B28 FBC/2007 4LHA STP's - "Phantom Duck" - Hull "BER 00794 1172". If Im in a hurry and the water is calm Ill cruise @ 2800-3000 rpm running 27-28 knots. 37 Mathews Aluminum Products 42 Provincial So you aren't saving any money at this point on running gear. 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