I loved it although is was very heavy for every day humping through bush, but hated the matel toy. The Brits and Germans wanted to go with a cartridge for the FAL that I could best describe as a European 7mm08 the European thinking was, just as Ive advocated, a 6.5 to 7mm intermediate cartridge for a full-auto battle rifle. You have entered an incorrect email address! That is definitely the liner screw. The site owner may have set restrictions that prevent you from accessing the site. Aimed semiauto fire is far more effective. Made in USA. My bolt roller popped off my M1A Scout . Where I come down on it: I can see how the proper application of lapping can reduce fouling, thats a no-brainer to me. Add to Compare. 1. Parts listed here are designed for Springfield Armory M1A/M14 rifle models chambered in .308 Win/7.62x51mm or 6.5 Creedmoor unless noted otherwise. In used/fair condition. ALOHA. Are you interested? Includes roller. The M14 just wanted to be a squad designated rifle that one could hunt deer with at home. pull, which you can easily achieve with the stock two-stage trigger group. Copper fouling can build up over a series of shots, then reduce accuracy, increasing barrel heating, etc. As an added bonus a proper functioning CRF is as smooth as bolt rifle can be. For all people interested in the detailed history of how we got here? WRT to the .30-06, the Garand, the Pig Board, the Goat Board, the development of the .276 Pedersen cartridge (which might still be in use today if it had been adopted), and the unilateral decision by Douglas MacArthur to dispense with the .276 Pedersen cartridge in favor of retaining the .30-06 in 1932, this book is essential. Gotta find a competent smith in the Northeast to do the trigger work you recommend. Description Badger M14/M1A National Match Oprod M14/M1A National Match Operating Rod Spring Guide Made from 1 piece of pre-hardened 4142 Ordnance steel. Chassis. The FAL in its original caliber would have been an almost perfect assault rifle but was stretched by the 308 and turned into a battle rifle and and assault rifle wanna be. NB that so far, we havent replaced the barrel. A 1911 with a host of duty-grade features. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=106259. instead of replacing springs, sights, bolts, stocks etc, thinking those will make the gun accurate.Ive seen my friends replace almost everything on the gun, thinking thatl realy make the gun accurate. First, understand that some premium barrels come already lapped by hand, with a lead lap. Some custom barrel makers either hand-lap their barrels as a matter of course in their production, or they have an option on their price sheet to do so. You can see this on the 03 Springfield rifle design the magazine cutoff on what is otherwise the bolt stop. The M1A Scout Squad combines the legendary power and reliability of the M1A with the quick handling and fast sight acquisition of a scout-style rifle. That when I heft my Garand it feels like a battle rifle up to Pattons blessed quote. There, the 98 action, as originally conceived, stands head and shoulders above most all other bolt actions since. He got emotional and told of how it saved his life many times. Metal finish is either re-parkerized and/or original E/C. The answer was that the Ordinance Dept had this idea that soldiers were going to single-load their 03s, and keep the magazine in reserve. No lie, that was the idea. The classic. When you look down your bore from the end, you cant often see the tooling marks unless you use a set of optics (like a macro camera lens) and light at the correct angle, or you use a borescope. They were left alone on a small hill. and 6.5 Creedmoor. The double-feed issue can be addressed by shooter training. It shot just fine, but I wanted the look and feel of what I carried in Vietnam (1969-70), so took the scope off and re-did a 1960s US Army M14 stock. Not to be deterred from their damp dreams of a full-auto rifle in a full-powered gravel belly cartridge, barely listened to Mr. Garand and conceded to lower the power to what we now know as the .308. Machined from genuine 8620 steel forgings per mil-spec. Im new here. WLCE: You need to look for two books written by Stuart Otteson. NB the several. While I might not like ARs, I know quite a bit about them and own more than one, in more than on caliber, from more than one manufacture. Or maybe youre just such a froid sang sort of person that this feature is a superfluous waste on. Product specifications are subject to change without notice. Quite true. NATO standardization of that round really screwed things up. Any thoughts? It was a cheap POS surplus barrel, it shoots reasonably well, but not great, so the worst that can happen is that I wreck it and I have to buy a real, non-POS barrel. I agree. that defeated the purpose of standardization to begin with. Hell quite likely know how to use a 1907 sling. It still sees service in lots of places in the US and elsewhere today. The only people who think AR-15 stock triggers are nice are people who havent had their fingers on triggers that are actually good. Use Devcon because it doesnt shrink. Developed in conjunction with retired U.S. Army 1st SFOD Delta combat veteran Larry Vickers. For any hunting rifle where I might be going up against something like moose, bears, bison or buffalo or African dangerous game? Im pretty sure thats true. Sold Individually. As much as I like the pre-64 Winchester action it isnt perfect. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Please. Your Source for Service Rifles: M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, M14 / M1A & AR Types Exceptional rifles at exceptional prices. . They wouldnt consider anything else. Maybe some of our recent veterans can enlighten me on what kind of squad level tactics are currently in play. 1101 Mason Circle Drive Pevely, MO 63070 Mon-Fri 8:00am - 4:00pm CST, 2023 Midwest Gun Works, Inc. - All Rights Reserved. With high muzzle velocity, low recoil and extreme long-range accuracy, competitive shooters will also appreciate the National Match tuned 4.5- to 5-lb. http://www.zediker.com/downloads/14_loading.pdf. You have to look very closely to see them, but theyre there. Certainly not $2,500. USGI .308 Ratcheting Chamber Cleaning Brush, NSN: 1005-690-8441, 7.62X51 NATO *NOS* Includes spindle valve assembly. Hogging out old compound from a M1A stock to re-do the bedding isnt fun or painless. But it was just too long and too good not to post it on its own. Machined from genuine 8620 steel forgings per mil-spec. All Loaded models have a medium-weight premium air-gauged National Match barrel for greater accuracy, plus several combinations of stocks and barrels available to ensure customization perfection. The M16 was okay. Installing an AR trigger certainly isnt difficult most owners could do it easily. He also was one of the best shots with handguns or rifles Ive ever seen. .308 WIN 6.5 CREED MSRP $1,938 - $2,104 Hellcat Micro-compact Handguns The highest capacity micro-compact 9mm in the world. M1A OP-Rod guide, in *Very Good* condition. Op Rod Spring Guide, NM, Sadlak, M14 / M1A. So, yes, for activities inside of 400 yards, it doesnt matter, but if you are looking for long distance shooting, most $1.2K AR-15s are not going to be able to compete. Oh well. Also, you may be quoting current prices, but when I bought my M1A last year, I paid just north of $1,600 for a version that features a Nation Match barrel, National match front sight, match grade rear sight, and match tuned rear trigger. I bought one M1A Springfield Armory recently, and i would want to know if it possible to down trigger weight to 3/3.3/3.5 lbs ? A handy, tactical rifle, the M1A SOCOM 16 has a specially-engineered 16.25" barrel thats mated to the gas system with a proprietary muzzle brake to reduce felt recoil in a big way. Ive never been in combat, but it sounds to me like one of the most stupid ideas Ive ever heard of. What does the little plate with two holes do. With regard to bedding: Dont start experimenting with novel or new bedding compounds stick to epoxies that give known results, such as Acra-Glass or Marine Tex. The longer .30-06 case will always win out. The first time any modern soldier or Marine sees this, he wonders WTF do I want to cut off the magazine for?. PS to WLCE: Watch that stupid americans stuff not polite. The hard truth is that we already had a 20-round, box magazine-fed, full-auto .30-06 rifle. They Krauts gave up at trying to take back the furious fusillade coming from the tiny knoll. Feel secure in knowing you have a genuine Springfield OEM . I read somewhere, and I forget where, that one of the reasons for enbloc clips vs. a box magazine was because enbloc clips fit in the existing web gear and mags wouldnt. Guide body is turned to .344' diameter from 8020 tool steel. Many of the supposed new compounds do shrink over a period of years, and the owner is left wondering how the rifle shot it self loose in the stock. It didnt shoot itself loose the compound just shrank over time. I bought an M1A some time agogood trigger, bedded composite stock and Leatherwood scope (and National Match iron sights as well). The XD set the new industry standard for comfort, ease of operation, features and performance. Ive heard the story that another reason the box magazine on the Garand was rejected because the troops couldnt execute close order drill with that big old magazine hanging out of the rifle. Not enough in my opinion even when the dollar was worth way more for losing ones right eye. Mausers original design consisted of a sliding piece of hardened flat stock in the face of one of the bolt lugs, very, very much like what Winchester did on their post-64 Model 70. Next upgrade would be to get the trigger improved. They used to be $1200 for a rack-grade rifle before Dear Leader put on the most recent sales push, and a super-match or whatever from Springfield used to be about $2600 or so (and those rifles needed no involvement from a smith). Learn to clean the weapon in the stock, from the muzzle. Look at it carefully and youll see that the front edge of that groove is beveled, so as to pull the extractor onto the rim That was quite a detailed bit of machining in that day. Machined from genuine8620 steel forgings per mil-spec. I have and do spend the bucks on Geissele triggers for ARs. SHOOT-SHOOT and keep SHOOTING until you establish consist shooting habits(breathing.squeezing,butt location,sight picture and more). The Marines never dropped them. Increased wear resistance, corrosion resistance, fatigue strength, and lubricity. If you go ahead and do this I would be interested in seeing your resulting data. Machined from bar stock. now youre just talking wholesale replacement of the hammer, trigger and disconnector. For barrels that are not already lapped that arent hammer forged, Id hold off fire-lapping until or unless I saw a problem, starting with copper fouling. Push-feed works in a great many situations, its accurate, reliable, etc. two-stage trigger. ????? Needless to say I would very much like to have a M1A. Depends on what you want, if you must have lasers and flashlights then the upgrade is worth it. Ill take a mauser over any american-made bolt action (other than the 03 which is a mauser LOL). But because of the huge stockpiles of standard .30 cal on hand and because of the standardised chamberings for MGs, BARs and rifles this would throw a kink in the system. Even with this limitation American infantrymen could put up a wall of lead that would stop virtually any attack. The schooling and tools are a substantial investment expense well over $20K for out-of-state folks. They both achieve approx. It also features the Springfield Armory forward scout-style picatinny mount, an enlarged ghost ring aperture rear sight, and XS Sights tritium insert in the front sight to give you lightning fast target acquisition capability. At over $1.50+/round for the Federal match ammo, you can achieve significant savings over this price by learning to reload and buying 168gr match pills yourself. 9 MM MSRP $778 - $983 For some reason, when I pick up a Garand or M1A, I have no need of glass. I came along too late for soldiers to be issued M14s with a happy switch, so cant talk about them. SA only garantees them to shoot 3.5", so i should be happy, but I want tighter groups. With iron sights, I can achieve groups of just over 1MOA with use of a sling, a supported shooting position and premium ammo in a rack grade barreled rifle with sight, stock and trigger work. This is a high-quality replacement that is round (fully supporting the recoil spring and eliminating rough shakes and jerks in action). The M1A, like the Garand, has a factory trigger that can be vastly improved from the GI 9-lb two-stage pull. The first upgrades I'd suggest anyone do to an M1A (from a rack grade rifle) would be to replace the standard sights with the NM sights, which give you: - a thinner front post - 1/2 MOA clicks on the rear sight elevation - an aperture on the rear sight that can be rotated for minute up/down changes in elevation. Dont pick a $1500+ rifle as a guinea pig for epoxy experimentation. I would like to upgrade my gun so I can do a better hunting activity. I just bought this M1A even though I qualified on the M-14 back in 1969. Shows heavy service wear-dings, nicks, pitting on muzzle end. (Or any other rifle, really. The US went with the M-14, the Europeans with the FAL and everyone with the 7.6251 NATO. The Germans came back for the night and he and his buddy fired their Garands until they warped the barrels at the encroaching Germans. Fully retract the operating rod by locking back the bolt, and, while supporting the gas cylinder with a proper wrench, use a 3/8" socket wrench to remove the plug . I only heard that story whe my Grandpa visited and I let him hold my M1. Is that going to be a threaded hole?.Is it a standard receiver thanks from New Guy USAF retired. . From 1959 to 1970, the M14 served with distinction as the standard issue rifle of the United States military after the . I will say that when you drop the M1A into something like the Troy or Sage battle stocks, you get a different animal all together. The War Dept frowned on all of these partly for reasons of weight, partly for reasons of reliability (you could get mud and crap into a box magazine, it is true) and partly for reasons of cost, but mostly because many of the desk-drivers in the War Dept and US Army Ordinance Dept just hated the idea that somehow, somewhere, some grunt was going to waste ammo because they let him have too much of it at one go. BUT I do own a K98, 1093-A3, Finnish M39 Nagant, SMLE, Garand, M1 Carbine and ARs. Donate. This is a whole nuther topic which could inspire a rather lengthy thread, but Ill try to condense it as much as possible. I try to get more out of him but he doesnt always like to talk about it. The US did try out the FAL in the early 50s but chose to stick with the familiar M 1 upgrade the M 14. No bayonet lug. The M14/M1A is, functionally, a Garand action for a shorter cartridge and a removable box magazine. Bullet walk isnt really an issue in a 10 lb rifle like it is in a 16 oz snub. My weapon was a selective fire M-14. I dont know what, nostalgia? I have seen the cartridges jammed so tightly together that it took pliers to remove the jam, this from a not so strong young lady that was just a bit excited. its amazing how quick our military discounts and ignores the lessons learned by adversary militaries as if its sacrilegious to do so. Much emphasis in afghanistan was on mortars (60s and 81s) and M240s in infantry-on-infantry combat. Beautiful works of craftsmanship. Includes base, dust cover, aperture, windage knob, elevation pinion. Customers Also Viewed I went distinguished with the M-14. The following was originally a comment posted by Dyspeptic Gunsmith to Jim Barretts M1A customization piece yesterday. There is a wealth of info about bolt guns in his books: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/379313/bolt-action-rifle-volume-1-and-2-cd-rom-by-stuart-otteson. When I was in VietNam I carried a m-14 with a 39 scope when my company commander would let me. The Germans heard the move back that night and sent in a small detachment of Germans were told to establish an LP/OP on the hill my Grandpa and his buddy occupied. The SAINT offers upgraded features where they matter most. $19.50. The Emissary bridges the best features of defensive and custom pistols. M14 Rifle Operating Rod, HRA Marked, *Very Good*, Skip to the beginning of the images gallery. That post alone justifies TTAGs existence. What king of gun You have? With as many rifles as I own and own fondly, if I were forced to pick one and only one rifle, it would come down to either a bolt action rifle (most likely a Winchester M70 thats been customized) or, if I envisioned a situation where I have to scrounge standard ammo, it would be the M1A. Screwing up happens to everyone no matter how much training one has. You should stick to well-established loads; dont try to achieve the hottest loads, because youll beat the rifles bolt and action up. On the M14, tuning that bolt head repositioned a cam that turned the M14 from an automatic rifle into a machine gun. So what? Id have to see that verified under some pretty strict testing protocols before Id be willing to say yes or no. The fact that David Tubb is putting his name on it makes me interested, because if theres one guy who runs really structured tests on changes to his shooting rig, its David Tubb. The Standard Issue M1A is a faithful semi-auto recreation of the original M14. There were rifles being designed with 20 round box mags, 40 round (!) Springfield makes this rifle in 6 different variations and they vary in barrel length for intended use, and also and grade. It also fails DOD straightness gage tests, and appears to have a burr at the gas port. Of these there are the round receiver made from bar stock, the washer like recoil lug, the button ejector, the controversial safety and others. The M-16/AR-15 was made to please the lowest bidder, not a rifleman. They were far ahead of their time, thats for sure. I have a M70 .458 that feeds so smoothly that you cant tell by feel that it has fed at all. I qualified with both the M14 and the M16. Hey Dan Its Jim Barrett, not Bruce Barrett. Still, that the bill out the door is going to be at least double what it is on any of their other rifles, including a Garand/M1A. And extreme long-range accuracy, competitive shooters will also appreciate the National Match iron sights as well.! 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