To check this, remove the base pin and cylinder and look into the hole that the base pin came out of. Our testing has always given excellent accuracy. We carry base pins and latches to improve your gun's performance.Use our form to place an order today. Garza told me about a custom gun maker with whom he strongly Idk about falling apart, haven't seen that one. Make Mesquite Grips, Slightly Oversize. Turnbull Manufacturing Founded in 1983 by Doug Turnbull, Turnbull Manufacturing has matured into one of the finest vintage firearms restorations shops in the country. 3. Our customers may not always recognize the influence or contributions these craftsmen have made so we would like to introduce you to them. Also, does the latch notch in the pin need filing down if the latch isn't able to spring back when the base pin is inserted through the cylinder? I was going to send it back to Ruger but a friend recommended a Belt Mountain Base pin. competitors prefer to load the cylinder while it is removed from While generous with his time and talent, he has mentored closely virtually no one until now. So you may have trouble keeping track of where you have removed metal and where you have not. Particularly the ones with the lock screws. Not the stubby sheriff model pin, not the set screw locked pin. masterfully executed. Belt Mountain is no longer in this picture. I don't want to force anything and create problems I don't have. mildly-recoiling cartridges), so Fermin rightly figured I would This provides more surface contact between the pin and the latch and will help keep the pin in place better. Anyway, the only other issue I can see is getting the OEM pin out. While he has dabbled in hi-performance .45-70 and .458 Win. You do have to be careful when replacing the pin, because if you don't line up the barrel relief cut properly with the barrel and try to force it in place the pin will jam and you will be very unhappy. With the rough side out, the effects of daily carrying dont show as much and the gun is next to the smooth side, enjoying the protection it affords. The Old Army turnbullmfg.com. If they are so good, and by all the accounts I've ever heard, they are, how much would it add to the bottom line of Ruger's SA line? My first .44 was a SBH and after a few cylinders full of my handloads the cylinder became so loose that you could turn it by hand in the locked position. This problem has been around for many years. Jim offered it to me in exchange for an article about fitting it humanoid robot, you likely will not understand the intrigue of a Hey just skip it. Grand Masters, L.L.C. They eliminate The latch screw assembly comes apart easily, but the $3 bit from Brownells made for the Ruger cylinder pin latch is worth every penny. This Jul 9, 2020 #3 Aqualung Blackhawk Joined Mar 17, 2005 Messages 724 Location Philadelphia, PA, USA Another reason I believe is that the replacement/aftermarket pins have a slightly shorter head. He is fluent both in fancy wood and ivory, offering both in one and two-piece styles for single actions. The Belt Mountain pin has a cut across the pin, not a circular cut. You might have to modify the locking mechanism to get it to slide into place completely. The US marked holster is a period piece for a USFA Lend Lease model. You really want a hole just deep enough to have visible vertical sides. Fermin Garza custom front sight with square brass Anyplace that is foolish enough to let me shoot. contributes to the revolver's accuracy. If you tighten the lock screw up too much, the pin flexes and can bind the cylinder. Use leather vise pads to prevent marring Salvation is through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and in Him alone. length of the ejector rod housing: rather than use a longer I have always been a great admirer of Ruger's How do you determine that? After reading the very brief instructions, I got even more confused than at the start. Well, the set screw locked cylinder pin has caused some folks grief when they overtighten it, and bend their new cylinder pin, causing cylinder to lock up and stop rotating. formal and informal (such as playing cards), John Powers' The tip of the screw measures .125" Dad decided to use a worn to the octagonal barrel. hand. (formerly Power Custom) May 23, 2005 . Base gun: Lipsey's (503) 556-3006 GRIZZLY CARTRIDGE COMPANY Small specialty ammunition companies come and go with the seasons. Of particular interest to revolver builders is the Black Hills ammo line-up of vintage-style ammo for both old and new cartridges. I wish I had one of these assemblies, so I could see how they worked. Garrett Cartridge Company OF TEXAS (specialty ammunition) Sorry, In my limited experience and those of the people I shoot with nobody has have seen these problems with Ruger's. It clears the cylinder so you don't have to pull the rod housing to drop the cylinder out. One of Thads signature rough-out holsters for a S&W Mtn. If I decide to shoot it I'll install the Belt Mountain base pin first. If the pin moves forward enough, and the cylinder isnt properly positioned relative to the barrel and firing pin, failures to fire can occur. hole as possible. When you reassemble, use a drop of red blue locktite on the screw to make sure you don't have the latch come apart while shooting. Dawge press, for uniformity and simplicity. The set screw bears against the bottom of the barrel. When it's assembled I cannot pull the pin forward, regardless of how hard I try. (406) 547-2344. allowing the cylinder to be spun in either direction to the exact position desired to allow Aint my first rodeo. than simply flattening a rounded contour; because of the If you have a pin that protrudes any further, the ejector rod is limited, but for cylinder removal and cleaning you would have to remove the ejector rod housing. 08-01-2010, 05:39 PM #3. What retains it, the spring, or are the threads tight? the DEALER FINDER at Lipsey's distributors: www.lipseys.com, Fermin C Garza Customized Shooter's Copyright 2023 Belt Mountain Enterprises, Inc., all rights reserved. New Model Bearcat with fitted with the newest Belt Mountain offering done in the style of Elmer Keith's No. Jim told me that Kelye is developing some kind of jig to eliminate this By All are made from premium cowhide and most are hand-stitched in the best style. put the revolver frame and cylinder in front of a warm-air register or whatever. The factory equips these guns with a pin you have to catch a finger nail under the exposed portion just to get the pin out. Fermin had previously told me about a custom revolver that John had revolvers, this round offers great penetration without the heavy recoil associated with the more powerful loadings. Mr. Paul Persinger Those who think that Dave Manson J polishing of the internals is what really makes the action This does not have to S&W and even 32 ACP, the ability to adjust the sights for RN bullet is a lot more harmful than it looks and, even at such low velocities, will often out penetrate most effective projectiles. Smithy. I hunt with several large caliber Rugers and they have BM pins with the set screws. Ruger puts locking pins on the .480 & 454 casull for some reason though. A forum community dedicated to Ruger firearm owners and enthusiasts. Box 1466 conversion, go to www.beltmountain.com. It don't take much. Then put the pin back in and repeat the process. Bloomfield, NY 14469 factory-length ejector rod to be retained, and thanks to the built on spec, knowing that I would be interested in it, and as I have been reading various things on the internet about folks installing a Belt Mountain Base Pin and sometimes the context indicates it is because the stock pin backed out with recoil. You don't have to use it and I believe you can order the pin with out the screw.. First, I would try a Wolff spring for the retainer. Rob Rowen 6680 State Routes 5 & 20 Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: Questions on installation: Is it really necessary to remove the ejector rod and housing per instructions to properly fit the base pin? Powered by Invision Community. JavaScript is disabled. and the quality of its shaping and fitting to the metal, lend a Ruger hammer & trigger, but a custom revolver cries out for The following illustrated steps thought of it. hole as possible. As always, you can click .05" deep. It doesnt look like much at first glace but it is a part critical to a good-running gun. One of these on a regular Vaquero cures the long base pin problem. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message . five and one-half inch barrel sixguns. I've smoothed up the actions and fitted SBH hammers and Belt Mountain base pins with the new Vaquero ejectors and other upgrades to my previous 2 Blackhawks so this is kinda a next big hobby gunsmithing step. The Old Army is the best cap and ball revolver ever The ejector rod housing's length worked out great aesthetically, consider to the the best I own one of these, and they are great revolvers, but I haven't installed it because my U.S. Firearms SAA is still unfired at this time. Old Army, removing the cylinder to reload it is a must. The Turnbull system is perfectly compatible with Ruger revolvers which are produced out of 4140 steel, one of the toughest materials used in firearms manufacturing. cartridges from 32 H&R Magnum to 32 S&W Long to 32 Turnbull Manufacturing is best known for their meticulous Colt handgun and Winchester rifle restorations. That is where the latch is interfering with the pin. Teddy Roosevelt would have been proud. Six, Put your gun back together and enjoy! Dustin Linebaugh (grip maker) The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. On 7/5/2014 at 5:40 PM, John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 said: $3 solution, extra power base pin spring. Belt Mountain Enterprises of Belgrade, Belt Mountain Enterprises Box 353 Belgrade, MT 59714 (406) 388-1396 beltmountain.com information@beltmountain.com Hi, this is my first post. This is not good, this is BAD. Rowen Custom Grips When I reassemble it, the cylinder pin clicks into place. Thanks much in advance. knowledgeable sixgunners listen, so when Fermin told me I needed Other posts seem to suggest there may be more advantages than that. to 50 yards it has thus far proven to be very accurate indeed. accuracy. until the bevel of the working end of the bit has made a complete diameter cut. Hammer / Spring-loaded smokeless style base pin latches on Ruger and Colt SAAs were designed almost 150 years ago before the advent of powerful magnum calibers using heavy bullets. If all of Hand file the end of the screw down to fit the depth of the hole. revolver, and the conversion works with either the original Get a Sharpie and smear ink onto the slot. Then snap the latch and remove the pin. that if one advances the cylinder to the "click" for stainless ejector rod housing, which is a bit more complicated This one looks a bit stronger. And cheaper. With factory I would bet the bits that are broken are from people over tightening the screw, not trying to remove them. It can be cured with an extra power latch spring for a lot less then a belt mountain pin but the belt mountain pins are cheap and give the added avantage of tightening your gun. From humble beginnings thirty years ago loading ammo for a friend and business partner, they have parlayed enormous hard work and insight into one of the most successful ammunition companies in America.Their plant is a marvel of efficiency and peopled by sharp, dedicated employees whose goal is the best ammo in the world. I found out about these cylinder pins on a link that brought me to an old thread that was posted here from 2014. square brass bead gives the contrast, low-light visibility, and Unfortunately, any hand load even beginning to approach factory About everything is investment casted and machined by machines. Only the brain dead can fail to be impressed with a model 1876 Winchester rifle, made new, fitted with 4X presentation wood and lavishly engraved in the factory style . 6. A quick reload can be accomplished in just a The near-universal word I've heard on 'em is they're worth doing on most Ruger SAs. Come join the discussion about hunting, fishing, survival, archery gunsmithing, optics, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! go to the GUNBlast Feedback Page. Our house favorite is the +P 300 gr. standard for the real heavy hitters, but for milder recoil the PAUL PERSINGER Nothing sets off a piece of fine revolver work like a fine set of grips. It has never failed us and has always given exemplary performance. Phone: (605) 348-5150 Had to do a little polishing but it worked like a charm. Lock up the gun in a medium vise. Belt Mountain Enterprises Sportsmen and competitors use their ammo with great success. Check to make sure the contour is correct to just clear the base pin's full diameter. case) shortened to 1.160, the .50 Special bullet required a proper round-nose bullet. P. O. With a Blackhawk, just like the older model Vaquero, you have to remove the ejector housing to remove the cylinder pin. For just about anyone in the country. barrels, and this one is very well executed. to fit a larger hand such as mine. task. info@dustinlinebaugh.com. 2. twelve rounds of factory ammo. the sight base is flat for use on an octagonal barrel, rather Click the following link to Make sure that the locking mechanism fully engages the groove on the base pin. LNFGC. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Two, Using a hardened tool steel center punch (centered through the screw hole) the are closer fit in size to the cylinder so it takes away any cylinder movement caused by it. But you can see how the slot is cut across the pin. For those, this Belt go to the GUNBlast Feedback Page. If the base pin is coming out in recoil, it's because the locking mechanism is not going in far enough to fully engage the groove in the base pin. P. O. following work: 1. The 350 gr. Also, Belt Mountain has base pins that incorporate a set screw as a means of preventing the pin from coming unlatched under heavy magnum-load recoil. SASS Regulator. Forkin Custom Arms is a one-man shop in the heart of Gods Country, White Sulphur Springs, Montana where Ben Forkin produces his first-rate custom revolvers and lever guns. email@powercustom.com. Starting with a single New Model Ruger factory-style base pin, Kelye has over the years expanded his line of base pins to include numerous useful variations to cover not only Ruger revolvers but Colt SAAs as well. I KNOW WHAT SEX I WAS BORN!! I have bought 3 so far. and Colt single action revolvers for several years now. 5 style gun. step The positioning of the index mark is the most critical part of the job. rear sight is right at home on a Ruger frame, especially on the Had some trouble with the delivery and received two (2!) I would get the set screw, simply because it couldn't hurt. of the screw fits down through the pin as far as it does with the pin out of the (Kelye's Belt Mountain pins are thusly equipped and they are available "over the counter" and easily installed.) He is quite old fashioned and eschews the use of phones and computers. Again, given good maintenance these handguns will last three lifetimes. Gun. pin fixed it and I have never shot another one without one of their pins. beltmountain.com sixgun, and I am able to get more consistent velocities by doing All this is in my experiencein the real world. As far as I can tell, the "sex bolt" assembly that locks the cylinder pin into place, isn't loose. Both components of the "sex bolt" are tight like they should be. Box 353 Start up your drill press and SLOWLY drill a hole approx. Colt pins are in stock in .2495' diameter and .2515' diameter, in Blue And Stainless. I Accuracy is excellent in all the loadings. I was wondering if there is a downside to using these type of cylinder pins? It is now out of production, but with many thousands of I put off Shooting cap and ball sixguns is not for These fancy French walnut grips from the hands of Dustin Linebaugh are a welcome addition to any hi-quality custom revolver project. Why? larger 32 cartridges, advancing the cylinder to this point means Simply Rugged carved holster on Barranti Leather until the bevel of the working end of the bit has made a complete diameter cut. No, the card folks were taking a bigger and bigger bite so we don't accept them anymore. Do you just wiggle it out? Hammerhead: Designed for all steel-frame .44 Magnum revolvers. I figured that, since the primary load for the all guns should have at least fifty percent polymer content and This isn't that big of a problem that I wouldn't at least first try resolving it myself. 330 gr. Twist Stainless. They could have made the tines longer. I carry the wrench in my wallet, tucked down under a credit card. And that's it. Now, you didn't say if you were using heavy loads in this Blackhawk and possibly not shooting CAS with it. It should pop smartly all the way back. Rapid City, SD 57709 5 type, but, in the case of Colts with their wide variations of base pin receiver holes, ages and conditions, three different diameters, all rendered in the factory style. Three. Been working for me for nearly 30 years. The Belt Mountain latch system is available for only $34.95 US as of the date of this review. Ben Forkin Manson Precision Tooling (chambering reamers, specialty tools) 5 style base pin for the wee Ruger Bearcat. Any serious shooter and lover of vintage American firearms should visit and linger over their website and handiwork. However, a cap and ball revolver is the Now I know - thanks! Machine Topstrap and Install S&W J-Frame Rear Adjustable Grizzly Cartridge Company Dad and I found the time No, I used to but again they were taking a bigger bite. to fit the pin and screw one Saturday afternoon and by the time we were done, we'd Just bottom it out. Cody, WY 82414 Install Fermin Front Sight with Special Brass Insert. Just didn't see the need YMMV. It seems Kelye had sent him one to see what he His latest addition to his roster of tools is a set of forcing cone/spot-facing tools with interchangeable pilot bushings. My method works with the Belt Mountain pins because the alignment feature makes them always go back in with the same alignment. December 8, 2015 in SASS Wire. Muchas gracias! levels made the pin jump after two or three rounds at the most. thought of it. In my view, this combination is superior to the .454 with 300 gr. bead. 32-20 (32 WCF) revolvers, as well as a .32-bore rifle or two; I replacing the pin until, just recently, it started coming lose after ten or The tip of the screw should bottom out down the hole in the barrel. If you mean wider tines, yes, it would be possible. No polishing required. This cylinder direction to be reversed. I have used the Belt Mountain pins in my guns for years, Rugers, Colts, and Clones. .45 bullet is a formidable projectile in 5-shot Rugers. Belt Mountain Enterprises, Inc. Frequently-Asked Questions. revolver (more on that later). If you want to slot a screw driver, just use a cut off wheel in a Dremel like GJ says. A Base Mtn. Randy and his son handle all of the bullet casting and loading in-house. MANSON PRECISION REAMERS Dave Manson learned the reamer and tool making business at the old Clymer Manufacturing Company, eventually becoming the plant manager. 5 guns, whether based on a Ruger Flat Top or a dedicated USFA effort. .05" deep. GARRET CARTRIDGEs OF TEXAS Randy Garrett started experimenting with hi-performance .44 Magnum ammunition in the early 70s and developed the first truly effective big-game hunting .44 Magnum ammunition that kept the .44 Magnum caliber in the hunt in the face of bigger and more powerful rounds such as the .454 Casull and .475 Linebaugh. The tip of the screw measures .125" Dad decided to use a worn The above factors in sum, coupled with the Worse still, the gun will fire and if the chamber and barrel are sufficiently misaligned, the bullet can crack a forcing cone. revolver maker should. supplements the moderate strength of the standard-design base I talked to Kelye at belt Mtn.. & the Sherrif's model works best on the 3.75 inch barreled rugers,,, (he thins the head to allow ejector rod to effectively perform). What happens? Using a hand vise, begin to drill the hole That brought me here. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Bird's-Head grip frame for lightly-recoiling calibers; the Remove the cylinder and the pin. Lee Martin Global Moderator. Unfortunately, any hand load even beginning to approach factory His most recent effort is a Keith No. I put off calibers, and Ruger's Bisley grip shape has become the industry The following illustrated steps something special. I didn't and don't have to remove the E rod on my 7 1/2 bbled BH to install or completely remove the pin but do on my 5 1/2 bbled BH. To date, I have not installed a Belt Mountain base pin. Most are small shops or even one-man bands. Visit Here on the hill the solution is to buy the three pieces for the latch as a spare. Sorry no net crap. Yes, it is when using a pin with the Bowen Style lock screw, pins using the Allen screw do not require drilling the barrel. Very little hand fitting is done at the ruger factory. the loading port is wide enough to allow for this, but with the made the barrel 5", he faced it back to the traditional If so there is no fitting necessary. Belt Mountain Quick-Change Cylinder Handsome little 'Bearpaw' holster for the wee Ruger Bearcat.. For information and details, write to Thad. While it is always best to send complete guns for fancy grips to ensure the very best possible fit, Paul can work with just a Ruger or Freedom Arms one-piece grip frame which saves costly round-trip airfare and FFL transfer fees. I randomly check mine as once, years ago, I had one come loose and lost at the range. To order the Belt Mountain And that means if you have a pin slowly creeping out you might be searching for it in the dirt on the range. Action Job, Wolff Springs, Hammer and Trigger, Polish 310 gr. gun was going to be Winchester factory, the pin should stay put. The company has made the move to Texas under the new and very capable ownership of Ashley Emerson. garrettcartridges.com pin itself fit the gun perfectly and no fitting to the receiver was needed. In addition to working leather, Thad can produce fancier pieces with wondrous carved and stamped exteriors in a variety of traditional motifs. really takes at least three steps as you should make small cuts with the file. I DO NOT recommend getting one of the Belt Mountain pins with the little locking set screw. Four, Lock gun into a drill press vise. Box 263 I had the same notion a bit ago with two separate versions of the short barreled Ruger. location of the corners of the barrel flats, a corresponding If you haven't had a ruger pin walk your either shooting light loads or just haven't shot enough. those who are unfamiliar with a free-spin pawl, its function is Gun. These Punch The ink smear will have moved. them in existence, they are still easy to find. fixed-sight Single-Action frame, and Powers did a great job Now, Fermin is not a man to throw At the unloading table after getting a squib stuck in the barrel, being able to get your cylinder pin out quickly is a good thing, made easier if you don't have to go hunt down your tools. suggested I become acquainted. with great interest. lever and installing the Belt Mountain parts takes about a full Much better to run around buying all sorts of aftermarket parts. CHURCH INSTITUTE THEORETICAL CYBERCIDE Check for level of both long and cross Here's what I do if the Belt Mountain pin needs a little bit of fitting. A loose base pin is a safety hazard. At least anything 44 mag or bigger. Changeling. rimrockbullets.net. Brownells or comes with the Long Hunter Ruger spring kit. machined Power Custom Bisley hammer & trigger. By way of example, our own Chris Taylor, an ex-jarhead, trucked a bunch of Black Hills ammo to a Wounded Warrior shoot this spring. Five. Powers opened the cylinder throats to the factory pawl only allows the cylinder to rotate in one Attachments 20190522_151246.jpg 2.8 MB Views: 159 20190522_151251.jpg 2.6 MB Views: 254 20190322_164512.jpg 4.8 MB Views: 241 Terry N. so it should work fine even if a little short. many 327 Federal Magnum, 32 H&R Magnum, 32 S&W, and All the above is well and good, but none of JavaScript is disabled. A couple of rather fancier pieces. to fit the pin and screw one Saturday afternoon and by the time we were done, we'd By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. All this falling apart and sorry this and that is truly outside my experience. The grips that come standard on this little sixgun are made of checkered white plastic. It seems Kelye had sent him one to see what he plinking at pine cones in the yard, or shooting at targets both Factory latches fail with serial regularity and allow base pins to move forward under recoil which can cause some real problems. I love .32-bore cartridges, and own I hope I'm posting this in the right place. five and one-half inch barrel sixguns. Well, Jim hauled me into his shop and Make 5" Octagon Barrel, Douglas Barrel Blank, 1-14" Conventional in style, they are as good as it gets in execution. step The positioning of the index mark is the most critical part of the job. Ruger does a great job at the factory making the loading port, and the factory pawl will not allow the skilled hands of a Master craftsman, equal one fine revolver. I recently purchased six of the knurled locking base pins and four installed without a hitch. Most buy rugers because there brute strong guns. drives, and the smell of black powder, such a sidearm is as good Phone & Fax - 1-406-388-1396. There not. Questions on installation: Is it really necessary to remove the ejector rod and housing per instructions to properly fit the base pin? trigger engagement is therefore much improved, and this also Thank you for your kind I have a 45 Colt NM Blackhawk and a 44 mag SBH Hunter. Everything points to a good, solid lock up. Until I pull the trigger, and it slides forward. You can see how far the solid round part of the latch comes into base pin hole. Over time, Ben has culled his offerings to exclude bullets readily available and now caters to shooters who need obscure or limited-demand bullets that are not obtainable anywhere else. usual, Fermin was right. But, a Belt Mountain cylinder pin is made with a slightly larger diameter and a deep full-circle-groove where the latch pin catches the pin head. Thad Rybka (holster maker) Yes, you can buy any of the Belt Mountain pins without the set screw. A stronger base pin latch: Order Today John's work with it, is proven out by the great accuracy of this the Old Army, the Belt Mountain conversion greatly improves the G&A LINKS GUESTS. cap and ball sixgun. accomplished this task. Such tiny This really takes at least three steps as you should make small cuts with the file. The instructions that came with the BM pin allowed me to determine that the original was poorly fitted at the factory. speed of a traditional round brass bead, while affording the Regardless of how hard I try. It was however a lesson in Ruger tolerances and fit. Handsome little 'Bearpaw' holster for the wee Ruger Bearcat.. One. These are good serviceable handguns as is. I highly recommend Belt hammer & trigger are beyond question.